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    Detta är massmord - dödligt, israeliskt våld mot fredskonvoj

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    Inlägg  Sniperace 2010-07-19, 14:10


    Nu hittade du ett litet ord som passar dig, samtidigt som du blundar för alla andra. Förklara varför Israel inte ska behöva respektera de lagar du försöker stödja dina åsikter mot. Varför är t.ex. fosforbombning av cilvila i Gaza acceptabelt i dina ögon ?

    Nu ÄR ju den stora frågan om det var FOSFORBOMBNING eller användandet av lys/rökgranater med fosfor, det är två helt skilda saker, vilket refererar du till?
    fosforbomber eller det andra?

    Sedan är frågan vilket syfte de hade och hur de riktades osv...
    självfallet är det ALDRIG bra när civila drabbas.


    Ni är inte många som inbillar er att dessa stadgar är orsaken till århundraden av konflikter, men redan en sådan dummer är en för mycket.

    Nej, århundrandens konflikter beror mest på antisemitismen och ett hat från en del islamister mot annan tro som Judendomen.

    Tar vi sedan just palestinakonflikten, så var det ju så att redan INNAN Israel bildade stat så var judarna utsatta av araberna, ett hatat folk.
    Som du inte kan förneka började det krig redan FÖRSTA dagen mot Israelerna, vilket sedan följts av attacker på attacker som Israel övervunnit.

    Men i DAGENS läge är dessa stadgar det i särklass största hindret för fred, de förbjuder ju fred, och stadgar att Israel ska förintas och judarna utrotas, tycker du sådant kan leda till fred och inger förtroende?

    Som jag sagt så ser jag strykandet av dessa som ett första steg mot FREDLIG samvaro, där det kan bli fråga om just tvåstatslösning, något som ju INTE stämmer överens med Hamaz stadgar eller hur?

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    Inlägg  Sniperace 2010-07-19, 14:29

    How Hamas Governs Gaza

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArti...px?ARTID=33372


    Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Jonathan Schanzer, director of policy at the Jewish Policy Center. He has served as a counterterrorism analyst at the U.S. Department of Treasury and as a research fellow at Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He is the author of the new book, Hamas vs. Fatah: The Struggle For Palestine. Daniel Pipes wrote the foreword to the book and some of the research was undertaken at Pipes' Middle East Forum.



    FP: Jonathan Schanzer, thank you for joining us again.

    Schanzer: My pleasure, Jamie.

    FP: Today, I'd like to talk about the way Hamas has governed Gaza since taking it over by force in 2007. But first, please briefly review the thesis of your new book Hamas vs. Fatah: The Struggle For Palestine.

    Schanzer: My new book documents the ongoing political and military struggle between the two largest Palestinian factions – Hamas and Fatah – dating back to 1988. Today, as a civil war rages in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, Israel, the international community cannot even identify a legitimate Palestinian interlocutor. The book looks at how we arrived at this difficult place.

    FP: Please tell our readers about the June 2007 war between Hamas and Fatah.

    Schanzer: In a word, it was brutal. The battle for Gaza lasted a mere six days. Fatah’s forces, trained and armed by the United States and other western nations, failed miserably. Some left the field of battle. Others joined the Hamas fighters. Those who stood their ground were likely not prepared for their brutal enemy. According to the Palestinian Center for Human Rights, Hamas violence was indiscriminate, demonstrating a willful disregard for the conventions of war. Hamas fighters pushed Fatah members from the roofs of tall buildings. Hamas even killed people who were already injured, or shot their enemies at point-blank range to ensure permanent disabilities. Hamas also attacked private homes and apartment buildings, hospitals, ambulances, and medical crews. All told, the June fighting claimed the lives of at least 161 Palestinians, including 7 children and 11 women. Some 700 Palestinians were wounded.

    FP: What happened when the guns fell silent?

    Schanzer: Hamas began to govern through a combination of violence, authoritarianism, and Islamism. Ismael Haniyeh, the ascendant ruler of Gaza, officially denied accusations that Hamas intended to establish an Islamic emirate. However, by November, the British press reported that “only believers feel safe” in Gaza and that “un-Islamic” dress sometimes resulted in beatings. According to a UN report, women “felt coerced to cover their heads not out of religious conviction but out of fear.”

    The new Hamas government attacked the media and peaceful demonstrations, and engaged in the “destruction, seizure, and robbery of governmental and non-governmental institutions,” according to one human rights report.

    In short, the few reluctant steps toward liberalization that the PA had taken during its 13-year rule in Gaza—small advances in press and political freedoms, for example—were wiped out in days.

    FP: There were reports of torture. Were these accurate?

    Schanzer: Yes. Some 1,000 people, almost all members of Fatah and the PA, were illegally arrested in the first months of Hamas rule by the new Hamas police, the Executive Force. The leader of the Executive Force actually admitted to the use of torture and violence against Hamas’s political enemies. He stated in August that torture occurred in Hamas prisons but that the EF was trying “to minimize violations and avoid them through the training of our members.”

    The allegations of torture continued, however. In September, Hamas abducted five Fatah men who were later transferred for treatment to a Gaza hospital, where evidence of torture was reported. Rights groups reported that other Fatah prisoners “sustained fractures to the feet” as a result of beatings with sticks. In other instances, Fatah men were “handcuffed and blindfolded” and had pieces of cloth stuffed in their mouths to stifle their screams.

    FP: How did Gaza’s Christian population fare?

    Schanzer: They probably suffered the most. Hamas grossly mistreated the minority Christian community, mostly Greek Orthodox, which had lived in relative peace for centuries amid Gaza’s predominantly Sunni Muslim population.

    In June 2007, masked gunmen attacked the Rosary Sisters School and the Latin Church in Gaza City. Hamas gunmen used rocket-propelled grenades to storm the main entrances of the school and church. Then they destroyed almost everything inside. That same month, Hamas kidnapped Professor Sana al-Sayegh, a teacher at Palestine University in Gaza City, and forced her to convert to Islam against her will. Her family’s attempts to meet with Hamas leaders to find her repeatedly failed. Requests by community leaders to meet with Hamas were also turned down.

    In October, the body of 30-year-old Rami Ayyad, the owner of the Holy Bible Association, was found in an eastern suburb of Gaza City. Ayyad’s organization had been the target of a grenade attack during protests stemming from the cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed that appeared in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten in 2005.

    In February 2008, unidentified gunmen blew up the YMCA library in the Gaza Strip. Two guards were kidnapped, offices were looted, and vehicles were stolen, and more than 8,000 books were destroyed. That attack came only days after a Hamas “modesty patrol” attacked a Christian youth’s car after he was seen driving a female classmate to her home. Both were injured in that attack.

    By one count, more than 50 attacks had taken place in the first few months following the June coup. Targets included barbershops, music stores, and even a UN school where boys and girls played sports together.

    FP: Did the Gaza population fight back?

    Schanzer: Some tried non-violent resistance. However, those who held demonstrations against the lack of law in Gaza also suffered. According to al-Jazeera, the Executive Force beat peaceful Fatah demonstrators after the coup. By August, Hamas banned unlicensed demonstrations by the Fatah party. According to Hamas, the demonstrations were “being used to create chaos and terrorism.”

    Hamas’s apprehension over the demonstrations was understandable. They sometimes turned violent, particularly when Hamas security forces began forcefully dispersing the crowd. Associated Press television aired images of Hamas men beating an unarmed protester with sticks. In some cases, according to Amnesty International, Hamas deliberately shot unarmed demonstrators. In two cases, Palestinians were shot and killed while trying to help other demonstrators who were injured.

    It is interesting to note that when Hamas threw rocks at Israelis during the 1987 and 2000 uprisings, the group called this “resistance.” When Palestinian protestors threw stones at Hamas, the new rulers of Gaza called them “outlaws” and arrested them.

    FP: So, why did most people not hear about this in the West?

    Schanzer: Hamas worked assiduously to cover its own tracks. To control the reporting out of Gaza, Hamas began to issue government press cards to journalists. Predictably, journalists whom Hamas did not like did not receive credentials. The Palestinian Journalists Syndicate protested that the tactic threatened journalists and prevented them from doing their jobs. The syndicate alleged that under the Hamas government’s draconian rules, phrases such as “Hamas militias” and “ousted government” were banned. Hamas also announced it would ban stories that did not support “national responsibilities” or those that would “cause harm to national unity.”

    The more journalists complained, the more difficult Hamas made it for them. The Union of Palestinian Journalists reported that after a series of threats, Hamas forces raided the home of one journalist. The union further noted that its ranks had been threatened and blackmailed by Hamas on a daily basis. The Foreign Press Association confirmed these reports, claiming Hamas had engaged in “harassment of Palestinian journalists in Gaza.” Reporters Without Borders, an international media watchdog group, noted that Hamas “failed to investigate” these incidents.

    FP: How did Hamas manage the Gaza economy?

    Schanzer: Rather horribly. Due to Israel’s sanctions against the Hamas government, stores in Gaza were out of many products, and hospitals ran low on crucial supplies, including anesthetics and antibiotics. Seeking to avert a humanitarian crisis, the Israelis eventually allowed certain medical supplies into Gaza but vowed to withhold other nonessentials. However, Hamas ensured that goods and supplies would be cut off every time they launched rockets into Israel. Indeed, they had a choice. They could either fire rockets and ensure continued suffering for their people, or cease the violence and make sure the population was provided for. For nearly a year, Hamas chose violence.

    Hamas also neglected Gaza’s infrastructure. As a result of Hamas mismanagement, several Gaza sewer pipes burst, which flooded homes and businesses with a foul river of waste that was several yards high. Gazans were infuriated when it was learned that the Israeli-made pipes that were intended to repair Gaza’s decrepit sewage system had been sold to Hamas but used to assemble Qassam missiles and bunkers.

    The most anger, however, likely stemmed from the Hamas government’s decision to raise taxes on cigarettes. Lucky Strikes used to cost 10 shekels ($2.50) per pack. After Hamas came to power, the same pack of cigarettes cost 16 or 17 ($4.00 or $4.25) shekels. Other American cigarettes could cost Gazans upward of 40 shekels per pack ($10.00). The Gazans who could not afford to smoke were said to be “fuming.”

    FP: Some people say that there were positive aspects of Hamas rule. How is that possible?

    Schanzer: Hamas, of course, attempted to highlight the positives. Within weeks of the takeover, the Islamists boasted that crime, tribal clashes, and kidnapping had all dropped precipitously in the Gaza Strip. But, this drop in crime was more than likely the result of fear on the part of Gaza residents rather than a sign of increased or improved law enforcement.

    Hamas proved once again that terrorist groups, much like their Fatah predecessors, were unfit to govern. The Islamist group exhibited an almost criminal indifference to the suffering of Gaza citizens impacted by the violence, lack of services, deepening poverty, collateral damage from the battles, and the predictable Israeli reprisals that resulted from Hamas attacks.

    FP: Jonathan Schanzer, thank you for joining us.

    Schanzer: You’re quite welcome, Jamie. Always a pleasure.
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    Inlägg  Infra 2010-07-19, 14:36

    Sniperace skrev:

    och så kan du ju se DITT TJUVPACK, Hamaz-hundarna....

    http://nyheter24.se/nyheter/utrikes/421670-hamaspoliser-ranade-bank-i-gaza

    Vilken nörd du är. Klart man kan kalla det för rån att
    tilltvinga sig sina egna pengar från en bank som mutats
    eller hotats att "inte betala ut pengar till Hamas". De som
    står för hoten är EU och israel eller "Den (korrupta)
    palestinska myndigheten" som röstades bort i de
    senaste demokratiska valen, som vill svälta ut varenda
    Palestinier - Hamas i synnerhet.

    Då var väl Odd Engström som städade banker i Sverige i
    samband med bankkrisen tidigt 90-tal också bankrånare?
    Undrar just hur många miljarder som försvann? Jag gör inte
    Odd ansvarig för det men det var många kockar som skodde
    sig i samband med det - det är klart! Saker och ting blir
    inte vad man kallar det för. Att tro det är att tro på
    hokus-pokus. "Bankrån" - sina egna pengar? Stolle!
    No


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    Inlägg  Dao 2010-07-19, 15:01

    Sniperace skrev:Jag har inget behov att ljuga om dina åsikter, som du gör om mina - och det skulle visa att JAG inte snärjt in mig???

    Tillåt mig småle... Laughing [/size]

    Ja, tills du upptäcker sanningen, då kommer du gråta! Very Happy [/quote]

    Och du bestämmer vad som är sanning..? Rolling Eyes
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    Inlägg  Dao 2010-07-19, 15:04

    Med de raketer Hamas har, kan de inte sikta någonstans. Vill ni de skall kunna sikta på militära mål? Ge dem då riktiga raketer!

    Eftersom det nu är "krig"...
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    Inlägg  formsvackan 2010-07-19, 17:28

    Sniperace skrev:Nu ÄR ju den stora frågan om det var FOSFORBOMBNING eller användandet av lys/rökgranater med fosfor, det är två helt skilda saker, vilket refererar du till?
    fosforbomber eller det andra?

    "lys/rökgranater" ! Du blir allt osmakligare i ditt försvar av Israel.

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    Inlägg  formsvackan 2010-07-19, 17:42

    Sniperace skrev:Som jag sagt så ser jag strykandet av dessa som ett första steg mot FREDLIG samvaro, där det kan bli fråga om just tvåstatslösning, något som ju INTE stämmer överens med Hamaz stadgar eller hur?
    SKITSNACK !

    Någon "FREDLIG samvaro" är inte vad du argumenterar för, tvärtom så ylar du hela tiden om att palestinierna inte underkastar sig tillräckligt mycket och därför är ansvariga för allt elände som Israel "bjuder" dem på.

    Det första steget måste tas av Israel och innebära att man accepterar en palestinsk stat på villkor som är rimliga för bägge parter. Detta var ursprungsplanen vilken de sionistiska terroristerna sade tvärstopp till, bl.a. genom att mörda FN´s medlare Folke Bernadotte. Samma förbannade usla terrorister har ända sedan den dagen suttit vid makten och viftande med sina bössor förnekar de fortfarande palestinierna rätten till ett eget land.

    Det är en skam för hela världen att USA kan förhindra det internationella samfundet att agera kraftfullt mot dessa jävla mördare.
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    formsvackan skrev:
    Sniperace skrev:Som jag sagt så ser jag strykandet av dessa som ett första steg mot FREDLIG samvaro, där det kan bli fråga om just tvåstatslösning, något som ju INTE stämmer överens med Hamaz stadgar eller hur?
    SKITSNACK !

    Någon "FREDLIG samvaro" är inte vad du argumenterar för, tvärtom så ylar du hela tiden om att palestinierna inte underkastar sig tillräckligt mycket och därför är ansvariga för allt elände som Israel "bjuder" dem på.

    Det första steget måste tas av Israel och innebära att man accepterar en palestinsk stat på villkor som är rimliga för bägge parter. Detta var ursprungsplanen vilken de sionistiska terroristerna sade tvärstopp till, bl.a. genom att mörda FN´s medlare Folke Bernadotte. Samma förbannade usla terrorister har ända sedan den dagen suttit vid makten och viftande med sina bössor förnekar de fortfarande palestinierna rätten till ett eget land.

    Det är en skam för hela världen att USA kan förhindra det internationella samfundet att agera kraftfullt mot dessa jävla mördare.

    Jasså?

    Så du ser inte alls det som hinder att den palestinier som skulle gå med och förhandla fred med Israel AVRÄTTAS enligt stadgarna?

    Du anser att det GÅR att få fred fastän stadgarna FÖRBJUDER detta?

    Du anser att Israel ska lita på dessa när de VÄGRAR ta bort de stadgar som talar om att utrota och förinta inte tas bort?

    Du anser det vara förtroendeingivande när dessa stadgar att kampen är inte över förrän HELA mellanöstern är ett enda Islamskt styrt kalifat?

    jojo, dröm vidare....

    freden VAR på gång med Fatah, men detta såg Hamaz till att få stopp på, men de är förstås förrädare mot palestinas sak Very Happy
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    formsvackan skrev:
    Sniperace skrev:Nu ÄR ju den stora frågan om det var FOSFORBOMBNING eller användandet av lys/rökgranater med fosfor, det är två helt skilda saker, vilket refererar du till?
    fosforbomber eller det andra?

    "lys/rökgranater" ! Du blir allt osmakligare i ditt försvar av Israel.

    vilken är dessa primära uppgift tror du?

    troir du den primära verkan för dessa är just att bränna människor, eller är den primära uppgiften att ge ljus och rök?

    I de militära skrifter om sådant läser man sällan annat än just det senare....

    och visst det ÄR illa att de användes där, men det gör inte på något sätt hamaz och dess föregångaresd brott ett dugg värre...

    Chronology of Terrorist Attacks Carried out by Hamas Since September 2000-2004
    Sunday, 18 April, 2004

    Background Information
    Attributed to "security sources" [Provided by the IDF Spokesperson]
    Since the beginning of the current conflict, the Hamas terrorist
    organization is responsible for carrying out 425 various terrorist attacks
    which resulted in the killing of 377 and wounding of 2,076 Israeli citizens
    and soldiers.

    The Hamas organization has carried out 53 suicide attacks, killing 289
    Israelis and injuring 1,649.

    A Chronology of Terrorist Attacks Carried out by the Hamas Since September
    2000:

    April 17,2004 - A border policeman killed, an Israeli civilian injured,
    and two border policemen injured, when a suicide bomber exploded himself at
    the workers terminal crossing at the Erez industrial area.

    March 14, 2004 - Two suicide bombers detonated an explosive belt and an
    explosive bag at the Ashdod port. Ten Israelis were killed and 12 injured.

    March 6, 2004 - Suicide bombers traveling in three vehicles drove into the
    Erez crossing, and detonated two car bombs at Palestinian checkpoints, while
    firing at the Israeli checkpoint. Two Palestinian policemen were killed.

    Jan. 29, 2004 - A suicide bomber detonated a bag laden with explosives on a
    No. 19 bus line on Aza Street in Jerusalem. Ten Israelis and one foreigner
    were killed and 44 were injured.

    Jan. 14, 2004 - A female suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated
    herself at the workers terminal in the Erez crossing, resulting in the death
    of four Israelis and the injury of five.

    Sept. 9, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device at the
    entrance of the "Hillel Café" in Jerusalem. Seven Israelis were killed and
    70 injured.

    Sept. 9 , 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device at a bus
    stop near the IDF "Tzrifin" Base. Nine IDF soldiers were killed and 10 were
    injured.

    Aug. 19, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up
    on a No. 2 bus line in Jerusalem, resulting in the death of 23 Israelis and
    the injury of 115.

    Aug. 12, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up
    near a bus stop at the entrance to Ariel. Two Israelis were killed and two
    others injured.

    June 11, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up
    on the No. 14 bus line in Jerusalem. Seventeen Israelis were killed and 104
    were injured.

    May 19, 2003 - A Hamas terrorist on a bicycle blew himself up next to a
    military jeep in Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip. Three IDF soldiers were
    wounded.

    May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber, with a bag filled with explosives blew
    himself up near the A-Ram Junction in Jerusalem.

    May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt, detonated himself
    on a bus at the French Hill Junction in Jerusalem. Seven Israelis were
    killed and 20 were wounded.

    May 17, 2003 - A suicide bomber dressed as a religious Jew, and wearing an
    explosive belt, blew himself up in Hebron's Gross Square, killing two
    Israeli civilians.

    April 30, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt at the
    entrance to the "Mike's Place" pub on the Tel Aviv boardwalk. An additional
    suicide bomber hurled an explosive device nearby. Three Israeli civilians
    were killed and 62 were wounded.

    April 15, 2003 - Two Israeli civilians were killed and three were injured
    when a terrorist armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifles, grenades and an
    explosive belt penetrated the Karni crossing in the Gaza Strip fired and
    hurled grenades. The terrorist was shot and killed.

    March 5, 2003 - A suicide bomber blew himself up on the No. 37 bus line in
    Haifa. Seventeen Israeli civilians were killed, and 42 were wounded.

    Jan. 17, 2003 - A raft laden with explosives and guided by a suicide bomber,
    exploded after Israeli Navy ships fired at the craft, four kilometers from
    Dugit, in the northern Gaza Strip.

    Nov. 21, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt on the No. 20
    bus line in Jerusalem. Eleven Israelis were killed, and 50 were wounded.

    Oct. 27, 2002 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated
    himself, despite being shot, at the gas station near the entrance to the
    city of Ariel. Three Israeli civilians were killed, and 17 were wounded.

    Oct. 11, 2002 - A suicide bomber is arrested at the entrance to a café
    before he could detonate his explosive belt.

    Oct. 10, 2002 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself
    near a bus stop at the Bar Ilan Bridge in Ramat Gan. An Israeli civilian was
    killed, and 20 were wounded.

    Sept. 19, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated a bag laden with explosives on
    the No. 4 bus line on Allenby Street in Tel Aviv, in which six Israelis were
    killed and 66 were injured.

    Aug. 4, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body on a bus traveling near Mt. Meron in northern Israel. Nine Israeli
    civilians were killed, and 48 wounded.

    June 18, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosives-laden bag on a bus
    traveling along Dov-Yosef Street in Jerusalem. Nineteen civilians were
    killed, and 50 wounded.

    May 7, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt and an additional
    explosive device in a bag, at a club in Rishon Letzion. Sixteen Israeli
    civilians were killed, and 51 were wounded.

    March 31, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated himself at the "Matzah"
    restaurant in Haifa. Fifteen Israeli civilians were killed and 31 were
    wounded.

    March 27, 2002 - A suicide bomber blew himself up with an explosive belt in
    the Park Hotel in Netanya. Thirty Israeli civilians were killed and 144 were
    wounded.

    March 9, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body at the entrance of the "Moment Café" in Jerusalem. Eleven Israeli
    civilians were killed and 58 were wounded.

    March 7, 2002 - A suicide bomber attempted to detonate an explosive device
    strapped to his back in the "Kafit Café" in Jerusalem. Nobody was injured.

    Feb. 6, 2002 - A suicide bomber boarded a bus traveling between the city of
    Maale Adumim and Jerusalem, and attempted to detonate an explosive belt.

    Dec. 12, 2001 - Two suicide bombers detonate explosive devices next to
    Israeli vehicles in the area of Ganei Tal in the Gaza Strip, while an
    additional explosive device is detonated near another Israeli vehicle. Three
    Israeli civilians were injured.

    Dec. 2, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device concealed
    under a coat on a bus near Yad L'banim in Haifa. Fifteen civilians were
    killed and 35 wounded.

    Dec. 1, 2001 - Two suicide bombers detonated explosive devices concealed in
    bags on Ben Yehudah Street in Jerusalem. Immediately following, a car bomb
    exploded nearby. Eleven civilians were killed and 170 wounded.

    Nov. 26, 2001 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself
    at the Erez checkpoint in the Gaza Strip. Two policemen were wounded.

    Nov. 8, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself in the area of Bakah Al
    Sharkiah, during an attempt to arrest him while on his way to enter Israel.
    Two IDF soldiers were wounded.

    Sept. 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body at the Nahariya train station. An Israeli civilian and two soldiers
    were killed and 46 were wounded.

    Sept. 4, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body on Nevi'im Street in Jerusalem. Thirteen Israeli civilians were
    wounded.

    Aug. 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up at the Sbarro restaurant in
    Jerusalem. Fifteen Israelis were killed and 110 wounded.

    Aug. 8, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb next to the Bekaot
    checkpoint in the West Bank. An IDF soldier was injured.

    July 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near an IDF vehicle in
    the area of Gush Katif in the Gaza Strip, resulting in the injury of an IDF
    soldier.

    June 22, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near IDF forces in
    Alei Sinai in the Gaza Strip. Two IDF soldiers were killed, and another
    soldier was wounded.

    June 1, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself at the entrance to the
    "Dolphinarium" club in Tel Aviv. Twenty-two Israeli civilians were killed,
    and 83 were wounded.

    May 29, 2001 - Two terrorists approached an IDF position at the "Tofah"
    Junction in the Gaza Strip. One terrorist detonated an explosive device
    strapped to his body, and the other hurled grenades and opened fire. Two IDF
    soldiers were wounded.

    May 25, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a container filled with 48 kg. of
    explosives and three gas balloons at the Netzarim Junction in the Gaza
    Strip.

    May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body at the entrance to a mall in Netanya. Five Israeli civilians were
    killed, and 86 were wounded.

    April 29, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near a bus carrying
    children at the Dir Sharif Junction.

    April 22, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself near a bus stop in the
    city of Kfar Saba. An Israeli was killed and 45 were wounded.

    March 28, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up near a gas station at the
    Neveh Yamin/Kfar Saba Junction. Two Israeli civilians were killed, and four
    were wounded.

    March 27, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive strapped to his
    body, near an Israeli bus at the French Hill Junction in Jerusalem.

    Twenty-one Israeli civilians were wounded.

    March 4, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a case laden with explosives on
    the main street of Netanya. Three Israelis were killed and 53 injured.

    March 1, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up while in a taxi, near the
    Me Ami Junction. An Israeli civilian was killed, and 10 were wounded.

    Jan. 1, 2003 - A car bomb exploded in Netanya. Thirty-five Israeli civilians
    were wounded.

    Dec. 22, 2000 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself
    at the entrance to a restaurant in the Jordan Valley, resulting in the
    injury of three IDF soldiers.

    Dec. 15, 2000 - A suicide bomber attempted to detonate an explosive belt
    near Israeli security forces close to the Erez crossing. The suicide bomber
    also attempted to stab Israeli security personnel.

    Nov. 6, 2000 - A booby-trapped raft exploded close to an Israeli Navy
    "Dabur," near the Israel-Egypt border in Rafah. Hamas publicly claimed
    responsibility for it


    är detta bra krigföring eller är det att betrakta som krigsbrott?

    är det en kamp du applåderar?
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    Inlägg  lazy 2010-07-19, 22:43

    En annan sak som är rätt typisk i den s.k palestinska kampen och som har
    ökat med Hamas som väl ändå får betraktas som 2:a-3:e generationen som
    är uppväxta med diverse lögner är vilken otrolig förmåga de har att alltid
    kunna servera västvärlden med fotografier på dödade, företrädesvis barn.

    Ha alltid en kamera till hands verkar vara mottot här, rimmar illa med
    både den påstådda humanitära krisen och Hamas sätt att behandla
    journalister i Gaza.
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    Inlägg  redalert 2010-07-20, 00:21

    Ja herrejävlar vilka nuts! lol! lol! lol!
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    Inlägg  lazy 2010-07-20, 01:21

    Dags att lyfta fram den här mannen igen, det jävliga är att USA funderar
    på att skicka tillbaka honom till "Palestina" igen p.g.a att han varit
    inblandad i "terrorverksamhet" och då hjälper det inte vem han har hjälpt.

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    Inlägg  fingubben 2010-07-20, 01:35

    formsvackan skrev:
    Sniperace skrev:Nu ÄR ju den stora frågan om det var FOSFORBOMBNING eller användandet av lys/rökgranater med fosfor, det är två helt skilda saker, vilket refererar du till?
    fosforbomber eller det andra?

    "lys/rökgranater" ! Du blir allt osmakligare i ditt försvar av Israel.


    Det hade inte spelat någon större roll om det fast varit lysrörs-granater Isralerna kastat ned mot gazaterna. Det är krig och det är nog ganska så oundvikligt att människor dör.
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    Inlägg  Infra 2010-07-20, 02:08

    Sniperace skrev:
    How Hamas Governs Gaza

    http://www.frontpagemag.com/readArti...px?ARTID=33372


    Frontpage Interview’s guest today is Jonathan Schanzer, director of policy at the Jewish Policy Center. He has served as a counterterrorism analyst at the U.S. Department of Treasury and as a research fellow at Washington Institute for Near East Policy. He is the author of the new book, Hamas vs. Fatah: The Struggle For Palestine. Daniel Pipes wrote the foreword to the book and some of the research was undertaken at Pipes' Middle East Forum.



    FP: Jonathan Schanzer, thank you for joining us again.

    Schanzer: My pleasure, Jamie.

    FP: Today, I'd like to talk about the way Hamas has governed Gaza since taking it over by force in 2007. But first, please briefly review the thesis of your new book Hamas vs. Fatah: The Struggle For Palestine.

    Schanzer: My new book documents the ongoing political and military struggle between the two largest Palestinian factions – Hamas and Fatah – dating back to 1988. Today, as a civil war rages in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, Israel, the international community cannot even identify a legitimate Palestinian interlocutor. The book looks at how we arrived at this difficult place.

    FP: Please tell our readers about the June 2007 war between Hamas and Fatah.

    Schanzer: In a word, it was brutal. The battle for Gaza lasted a mere six days. Fatah’s forces, trained and armed by the United States and other western nations, failed miserably. Some left the field of battle. Others joined the Hamas fighters. Those who stood their ground were likely not prepared for their brutal enemy. According to the Palestinian Center for Human Rights, Hamas violence was indiscriminate, demonstrating a willful disregard for the conventions of war. Hamas fighters pushed Fatah members from the roofs of tall buildings. Hamas even killed people who were already injured, or shot their enemies at point-blank range to ensure permanent disabilities. Hamas also attacked private homes and apartment buildings, hospitals, ambulances, and medical crews. All told, the June fighting claimed the lives of at least 161 Palestinians, including 7 children and 11 women. Some 700 Palestinians were wounded.

    FP: What happened when the guns fell silent?

    Schanzer: Hamas began to govern through a combination of violence, authoritarianism, and Islamism. Ismael Haniyeh, the ascendant ruler of Gaza, officially denied accusations that Hamas intended to establish an Islamic emirate. However, by November, the British press reported that “only believers feel safe” in Gaza and that “un-Islamic” dress sometimes resulted in beatings. According to a UN report, women “felt coerced to cover their heads not out of religious conviction but out of fear.”

    The new Hamas government attacked the media and peaceful demonstrations, and engaged in the “destruction, seizure, and robbery of governmental and non-governmental institutions,” according to one human rights report.

    In short, the few reluctant steps toward liberalization that the PA had taken during its 13-year rule in Gaza—small advances in press and political freedoms, for example—were wiped out in days.

    FP: There were reports of torture. Were these accurate?

    Schanzer: Yes. Some 1,000 people, almost all members of Fatah and the PA, were illegally arrested in the first months of Hamas rule by the new Hamas police, the Executive Force. The leader of the Executive Force actually admitted to the use of torture and violence against Hamas’s political enemies. He stated in August that torture occurred in Hamas prisons but that the EF was trying “to minimize violations and avoid them through the training of our members.”

    The allegations of torture continued, however. In September, Hamas abducted five Fatah men who were later transferred for treatment to a Gaza hospital, where evidence of torture was reported. Rights groups reported that other Fatah prisoners “sustained fractures to the feet” as a result of beatings with sticks. In other instances, Fatah men were “handcuffed and blindfolded” and had pieces of cloth stuffed in their mouths to stifle their screams.

    FP: How did Gaza’s Christian population fare?

    Schanzer: They probably suffered the most. Hamas grossly mistreated the minority Christian community, mostly Greek Orthodox, which had lived in relative peace for centuries amid Gaza’s predominantly Sunni Muslim population.

    In June 2007, masked gunmen attacked the Rosary Sisters School and the Latin Church in Gaza City. Hamas gunmen used rocket-propelled grenades to storm the main entrances of the school and church. Then they destroyed almost everything inside. That same month, Hamas kidnapped Professor Sana al-Sayegh, a teacher at Palestine University in Gaza City, and forced her to convert to Islam against her will. Her family’s attempts to meet with Hamas leaders to find her repeatedly failed. Requests by community leaders to meet with Hamas were also turned down.

    In October, the body of 30-year-old Rami Ayyad, the owner of the Holy Bible Association, was found in an eastern suburb of Gaza City. Ayyad’s organization had been the target of a grenade attack during protests stemming from the cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed that appeared in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten in 2005.

    In February 2008, unidentified gunmen blew up the YMCA library in the Gaza Strip. Two guards were kidnapped, offices were looted, and vehicles were stolen, and more than 8,000 books were destroyed. That attack came only days after a Hamas “modesty patrol” attacked a Christian youth’s car after he was seen driving a female classmate to her home. Both were injured in that attack.

    By one count, more than 50 attacks had taken place in the first few months following the June coup. Targets included barbershops, music stores, and even a UN school where boys and girls played sports together.

    FP: Did the Gaza population fight back?

    Schanzer: Some tried non-violent resistance. However, those who held demonstrations against the lack of law in Gaza also suffered. According to al-Jazeera, the Executive Force beat peaceful Fatah demonstrators after the coup. By August, Hamas banned unlicensed demonstrations by the Fatah party. According to Hamas, the demonstrations were “being used to create chaos and terrorism.”

    Hamas’s apprehension over the demonstrations was understandable. They sometimes turned violent, particularly when Hamas security forces began forcefully dispersing the crowd. Associated Press television aired images of Hamas men beating an unarmed protester with sticks. In some cases, according to Amnesty International, Hamas deliberately shot unarmed demonstrators. In two cases, Palestinians were shot and killed while trying to help other demonstrators who were injured.

    It is interesting to note that when Hamas threw rocks at Israelis during the 1987 and 2000 uprisings, the group called this “resistance.” When Palestinian protestors threw stones at Hamas, the new rulers of Gaza called them “outlaws” and arrested them.

    FP: So, why did most people not hear about this in the West?

    Schanzer: Hamas worked assiduously to cover its own tracks. To control the reporting out of Gaza, Hamas began to issue government press cards to journalists. Predictably, journalists whom Hamas did not like did not receive credentials. The Palestinian Journalists Syndicate protested that the tactic threatened journalists and prevented them from doing their jobs. The syndicate alleged that under the Hamas government’s draconian rules, phrases such as “Hamas militias” and “ousted government” were banned. Hamas also announced it would ban stories that did not support “national responsibilities” or those that would “cause harm to national unity.”

    The more journalists complained, the more difficult Hamas made it for them. The Union of Palestinian Journalists reported that after a series of threats, Hamas forces raided the home of one journalist. The union further noted that its ranks had been threatened and blackmailed by Hamas on a daily basis. The Foreign Press Association confirmed these reports, claiming Hamas had engaged in “harassment of Palestinian journalists in Gaza.” Reporters Without Borders, an international media watchdog group, noted that Hamas “failed to investigate” these incidents.

    FP: How did Hamas manage the Gaza economy?

    Schanzer: Rather horribly. Due to Israel’s sanctions against the Hamas government, stores in Gaza were out of many products, and hospitals ran low on crucial supplies, including anesthetics and antibiotics. Seeking to avert a humanitarian crisis, the Israelis eventually allowed certain medical supplies into Gaza but vowed to withhold other nonessentials. However, Hamas ensured that goods and supplies would be cut off every time they launched rockets into Israel. Indeed, they had a choice. They could either fire rockets and ensure continued suffering for their people, or cease the violence and make sure the population was provided for. For nearly a year, Hamas chose violence.

    Hamas also neglected Gaza’s infrastructure. As a result of Hamas mismanagement, several Gaza sewer pipes burst, which flooded homes and businesses with a foul river of waste that was several yards high. Gazans were infuriated when it was learned that the Israeli-made pipes that were intended to repair Gaza’s decrepit sewage system had been sold to Hamas but used to assemble Qassam missiles and bunkers.

    The most anger, however, likely stemmed from the Hamas government’s decision to raise taxes on cigarettes. Lucky Strikes used to cost 10 shekels ($2.50) per pack. After Hamas came to power, the same pack of cigarettes cost 16 or 17 ($4.00 or $4.25) shekels. Other American cigarettes could cost Gazans upward of 40 shekels per pack ($10.00). The Gazans who could not afford to smoke were said to be “fuming.”

    FP: Some people say that there were positive aspects of Hamas rule. How is that possible?

    Schanzer: Hamas, of course, attempted to highlight the positives. Within weeks of the takeover, the Islamists boasted that crime, tribal clashes, and kidnapping had all dropped precipitously in the Gaza Strip. But, this drop in crime was more than likely the result of fear on the part of Gaza residents rather than a sign of increased or improved law enforcement.

    Hamas proved once again that terrorist groups, much like their Fatah predecessors, were unfit to govern. The Islamist group exhibited an almost criminal indifference to the suffering of Gaza citizens impacted by the violence, lack of services, deepening poverty, collateral damage from the battles, and the predictable Israeli reprisals that resulted from Hamas attacks.

    FP: Jonathan Schanzer, thank you for joining us.

    Schanzer: You’re quite welcome, Jamie. Always a pleasure.

    Skärp upp dig litet Sniper. En ärkesionist som snackar skit om Hamas.
    En ärkesionist som sanningsvittne.
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    Inlägg  Infra 2010-07-20, 03:22

    Lazy.

    "vilken otrolig förmåga de har att alltid
    kunna servera västvärlden med fotografier på dödade, företrädesvis barn."

    Ja - visst är det förargligt, Lazy. israels dödande skall helst undanhållas
    allmänhetens ljus. Inte sant? Det är bestämt bättre. Inte sant? Visst är
    det väl förargligt, säg?
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    Inlägg  Infra 2010-07-20, 03:28

    Sniperace skrev:
    formsvackan skrev:
    Sniperace skrev:Nu ÄR ju den stora frågan om det var FOSFORBOMBNING eller användandet av lys/rökgranater med fosfor, det är två helt skilda saker, vilket refererar du till?
    fosforbomber eller det andra?

    "lys/rökgranater" ! Du blir allt osmakligare i ditt försvar av Israel.

    vilken är dessa primära uppgift tror du?

    troir du den primära verkan för dessa är just att bränna människor, eller är den primära uppgiften att ge ljus och rök?

    I de militära skrifter om sådant läser man sällan annat än just det senare....

    och visst det ÄR illa att de användes där, men det gör inte på något sätt hamaz och dess föregångaresd brott ett dugg värre...

    Chronology of Terrorist Attacks Carried out by Hamas Since September 2000-2004
    Sunday, 18 April, 2004

    Background Information
    Attributed to "security sources" [Provided by the IDF Spokesperson]
    Since the beginning of the current conflict, the Hamas terrorist
    organization is responsible for carrying out 425 various terrorist attacks
    which resulted in the killing of 377 and wounding of 2,076 Israeli citizens
    and soldiers.

    The Hamas organization has carried out 53 suicide attacks, killing 289
    Israelis and injuring 1,649.

    A Chronology of Terrorist Attacks Carried out by the Hamas Since September
    2000:

    April 17,2004 - A border policeman killed, an Israeli civilian injured,
    and two border policemen injured, when a suicide bomber exploded himself at
    the workers terminal crossing at the Erez industrial area.

    March 14, 2004 - Two suicide bombers detonated an explosive belt and an
    explosive bag at the Ashdod port. Ten Israelis were killed and 12 injured.

    March 6, 2004 - Suicide bombers traveling in three vehicles drove into the
    Erez crossing, and detonated two car bombs at Palestinian checkpoints, while
    firing at the Israeli checkpoint. Two Palestinian policemen were killed.

    Jan. 29, 2004 - A suicide bomber detonated a bag laden with explosives on a
    No. 19 bus line on Aza Street in Jerusalem. Ten Israelis and one foreigner
    were killed and 44 were injured.

    Jan. 14, 2004 - A female suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated
    herself at the workers terminal in the Erez crossing, resulting in the death
    of four Israelis and the injury of five.

    Sept. 9, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device at the
    entrance of the "Hillel Café" in Jerusalem. Seven Israelis were killed and
    70 injured.

    Sept. 9 , 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device at a bus
    stop near the IDF "Tzrifin" Base. Nine IDF soldiers were killed and 10 were
    injured.

    Aug. 19, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up
    on a No. 2 bus line in Jerusalem, resulting in the death of 23 Israelis and
    the injury of 115.

    Aug. 12, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up
    near a bus stop at the entrance to Ariel. Two Israelis were killed and two
    others injured.

    June 11, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up
    on the No. 14 bus line in Jerusalem. Seventeen Israelis were killed and 104
    were injured.

    May 19, 2003 - A Hamas terrorist on a bicycle blew himself up next to a
    military jeep in Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip. Three IDF soldiers were
    wounded.

    May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber, with a bag filled with explosives blew
    himself up near the A-Ram Junction in Jerusalem.

    May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt, detonated himself
    on a bus at the French Hill Junction in Jerusalem. Seven Israelis were
    killed and 20 were wounded.

    May 17, 2003 - A suicide bomber dressed as a religious Jew, and wearing an
    explosive belt, blew himself up in Hebron's Gross Square, killing two
    Israeli civilians.

    April 30, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt at the
    entrance to the "Mike's Place" pub on the Tel Aviv boardwalk. An additional
    suicide bomber hurled an explosive device nearby. Three Israeli civilians
    were killed and 62 were wounded.

    April 15, 2003 - Two Israeli civilians were killed and three were injured
    when a terrorist armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifles, grenades and an
    explosive belt penetrated the Karni crossing in the Gaza Strip fired and
    hurled grenades. The terrorist was shot and killed.

    March 5, 2003 - A suicide bomber blew himself up on the No. 37 bus line in
    Haifa. Seventeen Israeli civilians were killed, and 42 were wounded.

    Jan. 17, 2003 - A raft laden with explosives and guided by a suicide bomber,
    exploded after Israeli Navy ships fired at the craft, four kilometers from
    Dugit, in the northern Gaza Strip.

    Nov. 21, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt on the No. 20
    bus line in Jerusalem. Eleven Israelis were killed, and 50 were wounded.

    Oct. 27, 2002 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated
    himself, despite being shot, at the gas station near the entrance to the
    city of Ariel. Three Israeli civilians were killed, and 17 were wounded.

    Oct. 11, 2002 - A suicide bomber is arrested at the entrance to a café
    before he could detonate his explosive belt.

    Oct. 10, 2002 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself
    near a bus stop at the Bar Ilan Bridge in Ramat Gan. An Israeli civilian was
    killed, and 20 were wounded.

    Sept. 19, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated a bag laden with explosives on
    the No. 4 bus line on Allenby Street in Tel Aviv, in which six Israelis were
    killed and 66 were injured.

    Aug. 4, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body on a bus traveling near Mt. Meron in northern Israel. Nine Israeli
    civilians were killed, and 48 wounded.

    June 18, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosives-laden bag on a bus
    traveling along Dov-Yosef Street in Jerusalem. Nineteen civilians were
    killed, and 50 wounded.

    May 7, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt and an additional
    explosive device in a bag, at a club in Rishon Letzion. Sixteen Israeli
    civilians were killed, and 51 were wounded.

    March 31, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated himself at the "Matzah"
    restaurant in Haifa. Fifteen Israeli civilians were killed and 31 were
    wounded.

    March 27, 2002 - A suicide bomber blew himself up with an explosive belt in
    the Park Hotel in Netanya. Thirty Israeli civilians were killed and 144 were
    wounded.

    March 9, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body at the entrance of the "Moment Café" in Jerusalem. Eleven Israeli
    civilians were killed and 58 were wounded.

    March 7, 2002 - A suicide bomber attempted to detonate an explosive device
    strapped to his back in the "Kafit Café" in Jerusalem. Nobody was injured.

    Feb. 6, 2002 - A suicide bomber boarded a bus traveling between the city of
    Maale Adumim and Jerusalem, and attempted to detonate an explosive belt.

    Dec. 12, 2001 - Two suicide bombers detonate explosive devices next to
    Israeli vehicles in the area of Ganei Tal in the Gaza Strip, while an
    additional explosive device is detonated near another Israeli vehicle. Three
    Israeli civilians were injured.

    Dec. 2, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device concealed
    under a coat on a bus near Yad L'banim in Haifa. Fifteen civilians were
    killed and 35 wounded.

    Dec. 1, 2001 - Two suicide bombers detonated explosive devices concealed in
    bags on Ben Yehudah Street in Jerusalem. Immediately following, a car bomb
    exploded nearby. Eleven civilians were killed and 170 wounded.

    Nov. 26, 2001 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself
    at the Erez checkpoint in the Gaza Strip. Two policemen were wounded.

    Nov. 8, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself in the area of Bakah Al
    Sharkiah, during an attempt to arrest him while on his way to enter Israel.
    Two IDF soldiers were wounded.

    Sept. 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body at the Nahariya train station. An Israeli civilian and two soldiers
    were killed and 46 were wounded.

    Sept. 4, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body on Nevi'im Street in Jerusalem. Thirteen Israeli civilians were
    wounded.

    Aug. 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up at the Sbarro restaurant in
    Jerusalem. Fifteen Israelis were killed and 110 wounded.

    Aug. 8, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb next to the Bekaot
    checkpoint in the West Bank. An IDF soldier was injured.

    July 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near an IDF vehicle in
    the area of Gush Katif in the Gaza Strip, resulting in the injury of an IDF
    soldier.

    June 22, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near IDF forces in
    Alei Sinai in the Gaza Strip. Two IDF soldiers were killed, and another
    soldier was wounded.

    June 1, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself at the entrance to the
    "Dolphinarium" club in Tel Aviv. Twenty-two Israeli civilians were killed,
    and 83 were wounded.

    May 29, 2001 - Two terrorists approached an IDF position at the "Tofah"
    Junction in the Gaza Strip. One terrorist detonated an explosive device
    strapped to his body, and the other hurled grenades and opened fire. Two IDF
    soldiers were wounded.

    May 25, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a container filled with 48 kg. of
    explosives and three gas balloons at the Netzarim Junction in the Gaza
    Strip.

    May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body at the entrance to a mall in Netanya. Five Israeli civilians were
    killed, and 86 were wounded.

    April 29, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near a bus carrying
    children at the Dir Sharif Junction.

    April 22, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself near a bus stop in the
    city of Kfar Saba. An Israeli was killed and 45 were wounded.

    March 28, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up near a gas station at the
    Neveh Yamin/Kfar Saba Junction. Two Israeli civilians were killed, and four
    were wounded.

    March 27, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive strapped to his
    body, near an Israeli bus at the French Hill Junction in Jerusalem.

    Twenty-one Israeli civilians were wounded.

    March 4, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a case laden with explosives on
    the main street of Netanya. Three Israelis were killed and 53 injured.

    March 1, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up while in a taxi, near the
    Me Ami Junction. An Israeli civilian was killed, and 10 were wounded.

    Jan. 1, 2003 - A car bomb exploded in Netanya. Thirty-five Israeli civilians
    were wounded.

    Dec. 22, 2000 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself
    at the entrance to a restaurant in the Jordan Valley, resulting in the
    injury of three IDF soldiers.

    Dec. 15, 2000 - A suicide bomber attempted to detonate an explosive belt
    near Israeli security forces close to the Erez crossing. The suicide bomber
    also attempted to stab Israeli security personnel.

    Nov. 6, 2000 - A booby-trapped raft exploded close to an Israeli Navy
    "Dabur," near the Israel-Egypt border in Rafah. Hamas publicly claimed
    responsibility for it


    är detta bra krigföring eller är det att betrakta som krigsbrott?

    är det en kamp du applåderar?

    Säg; när blev det krigsbrott att bekämpa en olaglig
    ockupation och en fredlös ockupationsmakt?

    Jag har sagt det förut men tvingas tydligen att upprepa det
    eftersom Sniper har så dåligt minne. israel har dödat ,
    lemlästat och traumatiserat så många palestinska små
    barn att inget våld i världen någonsin kommer att kunna
    kompensera israels samlade ondska.

    Ingen vet bättre än Sniper själv hur israel leker Gud fader
    då det gäller egenmäktighet vid införsel av varor till Gaza.
    "Rädslan" sägs gälla att palestinierna skall kunna få
    krigsduglig vapenutrustning för att med denna slå tillbaks
    Herrefolkets agressioner.

    Därför följer Hamas ett urgammalt recept, en gång myntat
    av vår egen Kajsa Varg. Hennes devis "Man
    tager vad man haver" har anammats av de palestinska
    frihetskämparna. Ett relativt effektivt vapenembargo har
    lämnat grönt ljus för Hamas att ta till alternativa kampmetoder,
    läs: självordsbomber. Som Hultarn alltid sa: "I brist på bröd
    får man ta limpa."

    Det är alltså israel själv som driver fram all ondska i
    regionen som utan detta missfoster till statsbildning skulle
    vara en fredlig och lugn vrå av världen. Att Sniper sedan
    föredrar att kalla försvarshandlingar för terrorism förvånar
    väl knappast längre någon av ac-bladets besökare.

    Du tycks sväva i den villfarelsen Sniper, att den död de israeliska
    kampmetoderna lämnar efter sig skulle vara "ädlare" eller "bättre"
    än de dödliga spår som Hamas kampmetoder lämnar efter sig vid
    bekämpning av Herrefolkets fredlösa ockupationsarmé.
    Sniperace
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    Infra skrev:
    Sniperace skrev:
    formsvackan skrev:
    Sniperace skrev:Nu ÄR ju den stora frågan om det var FOSFORBOMBNING eller användandet av lys/rökgranater med fosfor, det är två helt skilda saker, vilket refererar du till?
    fosforbomber eller det andra?

    "lys/rökgranater" ! Du blir allt osmakligare i ditt försvar av Israel.

    vilken är dessa primära uppgift tror du?

    troir du den primära verkan för dessa är just att bränna människor, eller är den primära uppgiften att ge ljus och rök?

    I de militära skrifter om sådant läser man sällan annat än just det senare....

    och visst det ÄR illa att de användes där, men det gör inte på något sätt hamaz och dess föregångaresd brott ett dugg värre...

    Chronology of Terrorist Attacks Carried out by Hamas Since September 2000-2004
    Sunday, 18 April, 2004

    Background Information
    Attributed to "security sources" [Provided by the IDF Spokesperson]
    Since the beginning of the current conflict, the Hamas terrorist
    organization is responsible for carrying out 425 various terrorist attacks
    which resulted in the killing of 377 and wounding of 2,076 Israeli citizens
    and soldiers.

    The Hamas organization has carried out 53 suicide attacks, killing 289
    Israelis and injuring 1,649.

    A Chronology of Terrorist Attacks Carried out by the Hamas Since September
    2000:

    April 17,2004 - A border policeman killed, an Israeli civilian injured,
    and two border policemen injured, when a suicide bomber exploded himself at
    the workers terminal crossing at the Erez industrial area.

    March 14, 2004 - Two suicide bombers detonated an explosive belt and an
    explosive bag at the Ashdod port. Ten Israelis were killed and 12 injured.

    March 6, 2004 - Suicide bombers traveling in three vehicles drove into the
    Erez crossing, and detonated two car bombs at Palestinian checkpoints, while
    firing at the Israeli checkpoint. Two Palestinian policemen were killed.

    Jan. 29, 2004 - A suicide bomber detonated a bag laden with explosives on a
    No. 19 bus line on Aza Street in Jerusalem. Ten Israelis and one foreigner
    were killed and 44 were injured.

    Jan. 14, 2004 - A female suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated
    herself at the workers terminal in the Erez crossing, resulting in the death
    of four Israelis and the injury of five.

    Sept. 9, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device at the
    entrance of the "Hillel Café" in Jerusalem. Seven Israelis were killed and
    70 injured.

    Sept. 9 , 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device at a bus
    stop near the IDF "Tzrifin" Base. Nine IDF soldiers were killed and 10 were
    injured.

    Aug. 19, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up
    on a No. 2 bus line in Jerusalem, resulting in the death of 23 Israelis and
    the injury of 115.

    Aug. 12, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up
    near a bus stop at the entrance to Ariel. Two Israelis were killed and two
    others injured.

    June 11, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt blew himself up
    on the No. 14 bus line in Jerusalem. Seventeen Israelis were killed and 104
    were injured.

    May 19, 2003 - A Hamas terrorist on a bicycle blew himself up next to a
    military jeep in Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip. Three IDF soldiers were
    wounded.

    May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber, with a bag filled with explosives blew
    himself up near the A-Ram Junction in Jerusalem.

    May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt, detonated himself
    on a bus at the French Hill Junction in Jerusalem. Seven Israelis were
    killed and 20 were wounded.

    May 17, 2003 - A suicide bomber dressed as a religious Jew, and wearing an
    explosive belt, blew himself up in Hebron's Gross Square, killing two
    Israeli civilians.

    April 30, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt at the
    entrance to the "Mike's Place" pub on the Tel Aviv boardwalk. An additional
    suicide bomber hurled an explosive device nearby. Three Israeli civilians
    were killed and 62 were wounded.

    April 15, 2003 - Two Israeli civilians were killed and three were injured
    when a terrorist armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifles, grenades and an
    explosive belt penetrated the Karni crossing in the Gaza Strip fired and
    hurled grenades. The terrorist was shot and killed.

    March 5, 2003 - A suicide bomber blew himself up on the No. 37 bus line in
    Haifa. Seventeen Israeli civilians were killed, and 42 were wounded.

    Jan. 17, 2003 - A raft laden with explosives and guided by a suicide bomber,
    exploded after Israeli Navy ships fired at the craft, four kilometers from
    Dugit, in the northern Gaza Strip.

    Nov. 21, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt on the No. 20
    bus line in Jerusalem. Eleven Israelis were killed, and 50 were wounded.

    Oct. 27, 2002 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated
    himself, despite being shot, at the gas station near the entrance to the
    city of Ariel. Three Israeli civilians were killed, and 17 were wounded.

    Oct. 11, 2002 - A suicide bomber is arrested at the entrance to a café
    before he could detonate his explosive belt.

    Oct. 10, 2002 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself
    near a bus stop at the Bar Ilan Bridge in Ramat Gan. An Israeli civilian was
    killed, and 20 were wounded.

    Sept. 19, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated a bag laden with explosives on
    the No. 4 bus line on Allenby Street in Tel Aviv, in which six Israelis were
    killed and 66 were injured.

    Aug. 4, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body on a bus traveling near Mt. Meron in northern Israel. Nine Israeli
    civilians were killed, and 48 wounded.

    June 18, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosives-laden bag on a bus
    traveling along Dov-Yosef Street in Jerusalem. Nineteen civilians were
    killed, and 50 wounded.

    May 7, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive belt and an additional
    explosive device in a bag, at a club in Rishon Letzion. Sixteen Israeli
    civilians were killed, and 51 were wounded.

    March 31, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated himself at the "Matzah"
    restaurant in Haifa. Fifteen Israeli civilians were killed and 31 were
    wounded.

    March 27, 2002 - A suicide bomber blew himself up with an explosive belt in
    the Park Hotel in Netanya. Thirty Israeli civilians were killed and 144 were
    wounded.

    March 9, 2002 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body at the entrance of the "Moment Café" in Jerusalem. Eleven Israeli
    civilians were killed and 58 were wounded.

    March 7, 2002 - A suicide bomber attempted to detonate an explosive device
    strapped to his back in the "Kafit Café" in Jerusalem. Nobody was injured.

    Feb. 6, 2002 - A suicide bomber boarded a bus traveling between the city of
    Maale Adumim and Jerusalem, and attempted to detonate an explosive belt.

    Dec. 12, 2001 - Two suicide bombers detonate explosive devices next to
    Israeli vehicles in the area of Ganei Tal in the Gaza Strip, while an
    additional explosive device is detonated near another Israeli vehicle. Three
    Israeli civilians were injured.

    Dec. 2, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device concealed
    under a coat on a bus near Yad L'banim in Haifa. Fifteen civilians were
    killed and 35 wounded.

    Dec. 1, 2001 - Two suicide bombers detonated explosive devices concealed in
    bags on Ben Yehudah Street in Jerusalem. Immediately following, a car bomb
    exploded nearby. Eleven civilians were killed and 170 wounded.

    Nov. 26, 2001 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself
    at the Erez checkpoint in the Gaza Strip. Two policemen were wounded.

    Nov. 8, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself in the area of Bakah Al
    Sharkiah, during an attempt to arrest him while on his way to enter Israel.
    Two IDF soldiers were wounded.

    Sept. 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body at the Nahariya train station. An Israeli civilian and two soldiers
    were killed and 46 were wounded.

    Sept. 4, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body on Nevi'im Street in Jerusalem. Thirteen Israeli civilians were
    wounded.

    Aug. 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up at the Sbarro restaurant in
    Jerusalem. Fifteen Israelis were killed and 110 wounded.

    Aug. 8, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb next to the Bekaot
    checkpoint in the West Bank. An IDF soldier was injured.

    July 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near an IDF vehicle in
    the area of Gush Katif in the Gaza Strip, resulting in the injury of an IDF
    soldier.

    June 22, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near IDF forces in
    Alei Sinai in the Gaza Strip. Two IDF soldiers were killed, and another
    soldier was wounded.

    June 1, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself at the entrance to the
    "Dolphinarium" club in Tel Aviv. Twenty-two Israeli civilians were killed,
    and 83 were wounded.

    May 29, 2001 - Two terrorists approached an IDF position at the "Tofah"
    Junction in the Gaza Strip. One terrorist detonated an explosive device
    strapped to his body, and the other hurled grenades and opened fire. Two IDF
    soldiers were wounded.

    May 25, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a container filled with 48 kg. of
    explosives and three gas balloons at the Netzarim Junction in the Gaza
    Strip.

    May 18, 2003 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive device strapped to
    his body at the entrance to a mall in Netanya. Five Israeli civilians were
    killed, and 86 were wounded.

    April 29, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near a bus carrying
    children at the Dir Sharif Junction.

    April 22, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated himself near a bus stop in the
    city of Kfar Saba. An Israeli was killed and 45 were wounded.

    March 28, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up near a gas station at the
    Neveh Yamin/Kfar Saba Junction. Two Israeli civilians were killed, and four
    were wounded.

    March 27, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated an explosive strapped to his
    body, near an Israeli bus at the French Hill Junction in Jerusalem.

    Twenty-one Israeli civilians were wounded.

    March 4, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a case laden with explosives on
    the main street of Netanya. Three Israelis were killed and 53 injured.

    March 1, 2001 - A suicide bomber blew himself up while in a taxi, near the
    Me Ami Junction. An Israeli civilian was killed, and 10 were wounded.

    Jan. 1, 2003 - A car bomb exploded in Netanya. Thirty-five Israeli civilians
    were wounded.

    Dec. 22, 2000 - A suicide bomber wearing an explosive belt detonated himself
    at the entrance to a restaurant in the Jordan Valley, resulting in the
    injury of three IDF soldiers.

    Dec. 15, 2000 - A suicide bomber attempted to detonate an explosive belt
    near Israeli security forces close to the Erez crossing. The suicide bomber
    also attempted to stab Israeli security personnel.

    Nov. 6, 2000 - A booby-trapped raft exploded close to an Israeli Navy
    "Dabur," near the Israel-Egypt border in Rafah. Hamas publicly claimed
    responsibility for it


    är detta bra krigföring eller är det att betrakta som krigsbrott?

    är det en kamp du applåderar?

    Säg; när blev det krigsbrott att bekämpa en olaglig
    ockupation och en fredlös ockupationsmakt?

    Jag har sagt det förut men tvingas tydligen att upprepa det
    eftersom Sniper har så dåligt minne. israel har dödat ,
    lemlästat och traumatiserat så många palestinska små
    barn att inget våld i världen någonsin kommer att kunna
    kompensera israels samlade ondska.

    Ingen vet bättre än Sniper själv hur israel leker Gud fader
    då det gäller egenmäktighet vid införsel av varor till Gaza.
    "Rädslan" sägs gälla att palestinierna skall kunna få
    krigsduglig vapenutrustning för att med denna slå tillbaks
    Herrefolkets agressioner.

    Därför följer Hamas ett urgammalt recept, en gång myntat
    av vår egen Kajsa Varg. Hennes devis "Man
    tager vad man haver" har anammats av de palestinska
    frihetskämparna. Ett relativt effektivt vapenembargo har
    lämnat grönt ljus för Hamas att ta till alternativa kampmetoder,
    läs: självordsbomber. Som Hultarn alltid sa: "I brist på bröd
    får man ta limpa."

    Det är alltså israel själv som driver fram all ondska i
    regionen som utan detta missfoster till statsbildning skulle
    vara en fredlig och lugn vrå av världen. Att Sniper sedan
    föredrar att kalla försvarshandlingar för terrorism förvånar
    väl knappast längre någon av ac-bladets besökare.

    Du tycks sväva i den villfarelsen Sniper, att den död de israeliska
    kampmetoderna lämnar efter sig skulle vara "ädlare" eller "bättre"
    än de dödliga spår som Hamas kampmetoder lämnar efter sig vid
    bekämpning av Herrefolkets fredlösa ockupationsarmé.


    Ja, jag förstår hur du tänker INFRA, det är INTE krigsbrott att som självmordsbombare spränga ENBART CIVILA i en handlig som inriktar sig enbart mot dessa föra att skrämma och döda osv osv....

    men när Isdrael skjuter mot dina idoler när de GÖMMER SIG BAK KVINNOR och barn och dessa då skadas DÅ är det krigsbrott......

    du kan INTE vara riktigt normal....

    Nej du INFRA, dina Idoler HAMAZ är inte mer än maskar under en sten, Smutsiga svin och hundar som terrorisera sina egna och vill förslava folket i ännu större utsträckning än vad du TROR att israelerna försöker
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    Inlägg  Dao 2010-07-20, 10:40

    lazy skrev:En annan sak som är rätt typisk i den s.k palestinska kampen och som har
    ökat med Hamas som väl ändå får betraktas som 2:a-3:e generationen som
    är uppväxta med diverse lögner är vilken otrolig förmåga de har att alltid
    kunna servera västvärlden med fotografier på dödade, företrädesvis barn.

    Ha alltid en kamera till hands verkar vara mottot här, rimmar illa med
    både den påstådda humanitära krisen och Hamas sätt att behandla
    journalister i Gaza.

    Du tycker inte det är sjukt att det överhuvudtaget FINNS en 2:a och 3:e generation som lever i detta förtryck?
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    Inlägg  Dao 2010-07-20, 10:42

    fingubben skrev:
    formsvackan skrev:
    Sniperace skrev:Nu ÄR ju den stora frågan om det var FOSFORBOMBNING eller användandet av lys/rökgranater med fosfor, det är två helt skilda saker, vilket refererar du till?
    fosforbomber eller det andra?

    "lys/rökgranater" ! Du blir allt osmakligare i ditt försvar av Israel.


    Det hade inte spelat någon större roll om det fast varit lysrörs-granater Isralerna kastat ned mot gazaterna. Det är krig och det är nog ganska så oundvikligt att människor dör.

    "Kriget" är inte oundvikligt, och jovisst går det att undvika att folk dör i denna konflikt! Det är bara att be Israel sluta med sina ständiga angrepp!
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    Inlägg  Sniperace 2010-07-20, 11:14

    Dao skrev:
    fingubben skrev:
    formsvackan skrev:
    Sniperace skrev:Nu ÄR ju den stora frågan om det var FOSFORBOMBNING eller användandet av lys/rökgranater med fosfor, det är två helt skilda saker, vilket refererar du till?
    fosforbomber eller det andra?

    "lys/rökgranater" ! Du blir allt osmakligare i ditt försvar av Israel.


    Det hade inte spelat någon större roll om det fast varit lysrörs-granater Isralerna kastat ned mot gazaterna. Det är krig och det är nog ganska så oundvikligt att människor dör.

    "Kriget" är inte oundvikligt, och jovisst går det att undvika att folk dör i denna konflikt! Det är bara att be Israel sluta med sina ständiga angrepp!

    JA, slutar angreppen från Gaza, så slutar också motattackerna, så det ÄR lätt att få slut på det, och när det gäller raketerna så tar nog dessa snart slut när Hamaz inse att det blir bortkastad möda...
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    Inlägg  Dao 2010-07-20, 11:51

    Sniperace skrev:
    Dao skrev:
    fingubben skrev:
    formsvackan skrev:
    Sniperace skrev:Nu ÄR ju den stora frågan om det var FOSFORBOMBNING eller användandet av lys/rökgranater med fosfor, det är två helt skilda saker, vilket refererar du till?
    fosforbomber eller det andra?

    "lys/rökgranater" ! Du blir allt osmakligare i ditt försvar av Israel.


    Det hade inte spelat någon större roll om det fast varit lysrörs-granater Isralerna kastat ned mot gazaterna. Det är krig och det är nog ganska så oundvikligt att människor dör.

    "Kriget" är inte oundvikligt, och jovisst går det att undvika att folk dör i denna konflikt! Det är bara att be Israel sluta med sina ständiga angrepp!

    JA, slutar angreppen från Gaza, så slutar också motattackerna, så det ÄR lätt att få slut på det, och när det gäller raketerna så tar nog dessa snart slut när Hamaz inse att det blir bortkastad möda...

    När raketerna stoppade tidigare, fortsatte "motaattckerna" ändå, så du kan sluta upprepa detta mantra nu!

    Raketerna började avfyras en bra bit in på 90-talet! När började de israeliska "motanfallen" tror du? Ca 50 år tidigare...

    Och ja - så länge Israel väljer våldets väg, så kommer det också att ske försvar från palestinierna!
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    Inlägg  lazy 2010-07-20, 13:21

    Israel

    Gaza

    Västbanken

    I länkarna ovan kan man roa sig med att jämföra lite själv. Wink
    Visserligen har jag lagt in de här ngn gång tidigare men minnet
    verkar kort.
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    Inlägg  RedCloud 2010-07-20, 13:29

    I statistiken nedan kan man roa sig med att jämföra lite själv.
    Visserligen har jag lagt in de här ngn gång tidigare men minnet
    verkar kort.

    Döda barn Israel: 123 Palestina: 1487

    Döda vuxna Israel: 1072 Palestina: 6348

    Skadade Israel: 8864 Palestina: 39019

    Dagligt stöd från USA Israel: 7000000 US$ Palestina 0 US$

    FN resolutioner mot Israel: 65 Palestina 0

    Politiska fångar Israel 10 756 Palestina 1

    Förstörda bostäder Israel 0 Palestina 18147

    Arbetslöshet Israel 7,3% Palestina 23%

    Olagliga bosättningar Israel 223 Palestina 0


    Alla fakta går att verifiera.
    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

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    Inlägg  Sniperace 2010-07-20, 13:46

    Dao skrev:
    Sniperace skrev:
    Dao skrev:
    fingubben skrev:
    formsvackan skrev:
    Sniperace skrev:Nu ÄR ju den stora frågan om det var FOSFORBOMBNING eller användandet av lys/rökgranater med fosfor, det är två helt skilda saker, vilket refererar du till?
    fosforbomber eller det andra?

    "lys/rökgranater" ! Du blir allt osmakligare i ditt försvar av Israel.


    Det hade inte spelat någon större roll om det fast varit lysrörs-granater Isralerna kastat ned mot gazaterna. Det är krig och det är nog ganska så oundvikligt att människor dör.

    "Kriget" är inte oundvikligt, och jovisst går det att undvika att folk dör i denna konflikt! Det är bara att be Israel sluta med sina ständiga angrepp!

    JA, slutar angreppen från Gaza, så slutar också motattackerna, så det ÄR lätt att få slut på det, och när det gäller raketerna så tar nog dessa snart slut när Hamaz inse att det blir bortkastad möda...

    När raketerna stoppade tidigare, fortsatte "motaattckerna" ändå, så du kan sluta upprepa detta mantra nu!

    Raketerna började avfyras en bra bit in på 90-talet! När började de israeliska "motanfallen" tror du? Ca 50 år tidigare...

    Och ja - så länge Israel väljer våldets väg, så kommer det också att ske försvar från palestinierna!

    Men nu är det så att raketerna stoppade ALDRIG, nu far du med lögner...
    enligt alla listor där detta visas finns INGEN period de varit borta...

    Och de israliska anfallen innan berodde på ex självmordsbombare och andra utplacerade bomber på ex diskotek osv, du vet sådana fina krigsmetoder som du i stort sett applåderar
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    Inlägg  Sniperace 2010-07-20, 14:17

    RedCloud skrev:I statistiken nedan kan man roa sig med att jämföra lite själv.
    Visserligen har jag lagt in de här ngn gång tidigare men minnet
    verkar kort.

    Döda barn Israel: 123 Palestina: 1487
    Döda vuxna Israel: 1072 Palestina: 6348
    Skadade Israel: 8864 Palestina: 39019

    Beror4 helt på Hamaz och andra gruppers förkärlek att antingen gömma sig bak civila eller att lägga baser så att de ska skyddas av civila, inte särskilt konstigt

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    Dagligt stöd från USA Israel: 7000000 US$ Palestina 0 US$[/qoute]
    Detta beror till 100% på hur Palestinska grupper valt att föra krig och Israels utsatthet från arabländerna, hade detta inte skett skulle palestinierna med all säkerhet fått hjälp även de.


    FN resolutioner mot Israel: 65 Palestina 0
    Det är svårt att rikta en resolution mot ett land som inte finns, och resolutioner mot grupper har jag inte hört att har getts.
    MEN FN HAR fördömt de olika Palestinska "frihetsgruppernas" sätt att föra krig.



    Politiska fångar Israel 10 756 Palestina 1
    "politiska"?
    Snarare är det väl så att 99% av dessa sitter pga VÅLDSDÅD av olika slag, och den du kallar politisk fånge är väl mer att betrakta som kidnappad, eller möjligen krigsfånge.



    Förstörda bostäder Israel 0 Palestina 18147
    JAsså, så raketer och andra attacker har aldrig skadat några israeliska bostäder?

    Och ÅTERIGEN de flesta förstörda Palestinska bostäder hänger helt ihop med just hamaz förkärlek att välja platser där sådant skadas för sina attacker, samt att Israel klart deklarerat att självmordsbombares bostäder kommer att rivas...
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    Arbetslöshet Israel 7,3% Palestina 23%[7quote]
    det har väl knappast Israel med att göra, det är inte deras uppgift att ge pelestinierna arbete, utan deras krigföring skulle det nog kunne bli fler arbetstillfällen.

    Olagliga bosättningar Israel 223 Palestina 0


    Tjaaa, tror du palestinierna har en chans att bosätta sig i Israel olagligt?

    men hamaz dröm ÄR ju att utplåna Isael och ha sina bostäder där, kunde de så skulle Israel vara utplånat och judarna utrotade/drivna i havet


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    http://www.ifamericansknew.org/

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