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    Ezzlirsk skrev:Detta är bortförklaringar och undanflykter för att ni vänsterrealister inte skall bemöda er att kritisera dessa muselmanska nazister, eller enligt er "oskyldiga och frihetskämpande" sådana. Ni använder samma retorik som A.H själv "vi har anledning att hata judar".
    Inte alls. Jag själv avskyr både nazister och religiösa fundamentalister.
    Ezzlirsk skrev:Du förstår verkligen inte sammanhanget, eller hur?
    Nej faktiskt inte och du har inte gjort det lättare. Att islamister och nynazister ibland samarbetar har jag förstått. Att någon vid namn Amin Al-Husseini som levde för länge sedan var nazist och dessutom ogillade judar tror jag också att jag förstår. Vad är det mer som jag borde förstå ?
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    lazy skrev:både judar o palestinier har blivit "fördrivna" från främst
    Jerusalem.
    När fördrevs judarna från Jerusalem senast ?
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    formsvackan skrev:
    Nej faktiskt inte och du har inte gjort det lättare. Att islamister och nynazister ibland samarbetar har jag förstått. Att någon vid namn Amin Al-Husseini som levde för länge sedan var nazist och dessutom ogillade judar tror jag också att jag förstår. Vad är det mer som jag borde förstå ?

    Det finns en hel del information om detta att ta del av. Amin Al-Husseini var förvisso en ikon och en vedervärdig nazist (därutöver höll han Hitler varmt om hjärtat)men man skall inte stanna på detta spår då han som känt hade sin tid från 40-talet. I dagens läge pratar vi snarare om islamistiska organisationer, militära divisioner och s k terrorstämplade grupper - världen över skall tilläggas - som öppet står för sin nazistiska syn på samhället och "Der Ewige Jude" (denna form av propaganda förekommer än idag) och "ariska brödrarskap" liksom nationalistiska organisationer går ofta hand i hand med dessa islamister då man har en gemensam fiende - juden. Det finns otroligt mycket material på nätet och även på diverse litterära handelsverk. I min tråd finns en del intressanta länkar att ta del av, men jag skall lägga till ännu fler åt den som är intresserad av den internationella islamistenheten.
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    Inlägg  lazy 2009-09-21, 22:55

    Har för mej FS att jag lagt in länkar förut om hur judar fick
    lämna sina hem när Jordaniens arme ockuperade Jerusalem (lämna
    sina hem är väl lika med palestiniernas lämna sina hem?)
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    lazy skrev:Har för mej FS att jag lagt in länkar förut om hur judar fick
    lämna sina hem när Jordaniens arme ockuperade Jerusalem (lämna
    sina hem är väl lika med palestiniernas lämna sina hem?)
    Har bommat detta. När hände det ?
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    formsvackan skrev:
    lazy skrev:både judar o palestinier har blivit "fördrivna" från främst
    Jerusalem.
    När fördrevs judarna från Jerusalem senast ?

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    Inlägg  Ezzlirsk 2009-09-22, 02:44

    Att påstå att judar inte blivit förtryckta inom arabvärlden - och således inte skall jämföras med exempelvis palestinierns nuvarande "underkastelse" - är en ren myt och antizionistisk propaganda.




    "While Jewish communities in Islamic countries fared better overall than those in Christian lands in Europe, Jews were no strangers to persecution and humiliation among the Arabs. As Princeton University historian Bernard Lewis has written: "The Golden Age of equal rights was a myth, and belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for Islam."22

    Muhammad, the founder of Islam, traveled to Medina in 622 A.D. to attract followers to his new faith. When the Jews of Medina refused to recognize Muhammad as their Prophet, two of the major Jewish tribes were expelled. In 627, Muhammad's followers killed between 600 and 900 of the men, and divided the surviving Jewish women and children amongst themselves.23

    The Muslim attitude toward Jews is reflected in various verses throughout the Koran, the holy book of the Islamic faith. "They [the Children of Israel] were consigned to humiliation and wretchedness. They brought the wrath of God upon themselves, and this because they used to deny God's signs and kill His Prophets unjustly and because they disobeyed and were transgressors" (Sura 2:61). According to the Koran, the Jews try to introduce corruption (5:64), have always been disobedient (5:78), and are enemies of Allah, the Prophet and the angels (2:97-98).

    Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews. In the ninth century, Baghdad's Caliph al-Mutawakkil designated a yellow badge for Jews, setting a precedent that would be followed centuries later in Nazi Germany.24

    At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

    When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

    Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.25

    Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.26

    Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854­859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).27

    The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.28

    As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

    It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.29

    The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: "Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world."30

    More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940's in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.31 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries."


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    Ezzlirsk skrev:Att påstå att judar inte blivit förtryckta inom arabvärlden - och således inte skall jämföras med exempelvis palestinierns nuvarande "underkastelse" - är en ren myt och antizionistisk propaganda.




    "While Jewish communities in Islamic countries fared better overall than those in Christian lands in Europe, Jews were no strangers to persecution and humiliation among the Arabs. As Princeton University historian Bernard Lewis has written: "The Golden Age of equal rights was a myth, and belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for Islam."22

    Muhammad, the founder of Islam, traveled to Medina in 622 A.D. to attract followers to his new faith. When the Jews of Medina refused to recognize Muhammad as their Prophet, two of the major Jewish tribes were expelled. In 627, Muhammad's followers killed between 600 and 900 of the men, and divided the surviving Jewish women and children amongst themselves.23

    The Muslim attitude toward Jews is reflected in various verses throughout the Koran, the holy book of the Islamic faith. "They [the Children of Israel] were consigned to humiliation and wretchedness. They brought the wrath of God upon themselves, and this because they used to deny God's signs and kill His Prophets unjustly and because they disobeyed and were transgressors" (Sura 2:61). According to the Koran, the Jews try to introduce corruption (5:64), have always been disobedient (5:78), and are enemies of Allah, the Prophet and the angels (2:97-98).

    Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews. In the ninth century, Baghdad's Caliph al-Mutawakkil designated a yellow badge for Jews, setting a precedent that would be followed centuries later in Nazi Germany.24

    At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

    When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

    Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.25

    Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.26

    Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854­859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).27

    The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.28

    As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

    It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.29

    The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: "Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world."30

    More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940's in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.31 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries."


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    Infra skrev:
    Ezzlirsk skrev:Att påstå att judar inte blivit förtryckta inom arabvärlden - och således inte skall jämföras med exempelvis palestinierns nuvarande "underkastelse" - är en ren myt och antizionistisk propaganda.




    "While Jewish communities in Islamic countries fared better overall than those in Christian lands in Europe, Jews were no strangers to persecution and humiliation among the Arabs. As Princeton University historian Bernard Lewis has written: "The Golden Age of equal rights was a myth, and belief in it was a result, more than a cause, of Jewish sympathy for Islam."22

    Muhammad, the founder of Islam, traveled to Medina in 622 A.D. to attract followers to his new faith. When the Jews of Medina refused to recognize Muhammad as their Prophet, two of the major Jewish tribes were expelled. In 627, Muhammad's followers killed between 600 and 900 of the men, and divided the surviving Jewish women and children amongst themselves.23

    The Muslim attitude toward Jews is reflected in various verses throughout the Koran, the holy book of the Islamic faith. "They [the Children of Israel] were consigned to humiliation and wretchedness. They brought the wrath of God upon themselves, and this because they used to deny God's signs and kill His Prophets unjustly and because they disobeyed and were transgressors" (Sura 2:61). According to the Koran, the Jews try to introduce corruption (5:64), have always been disobedient (5:78), and are enemies of Allah, the Prophet and the angels (2:97-98).

    Jews were generally viewed with contempt by their Muslim neighbors; peaceful coexistence between the two groups involved the subordination and degradation of the Jews. In the ninth century, Baghdad's Caliph al-Mutawakkil designated a yellow badge for Jews, setting a precedent that would be followed centuries later in Nazi Germany.24

    At various times, Jews in Muslim lands lived in relative peace and thrived culturally and economically. The position of the Jews was never secure, however, and changes in the political or social climate would often lead to persecution, violence and death.

    When Jews were perceived as having achieved too comfortable a position in Islamic society, anti-Semitism would surface, often with devastating results. On December 30, 1066, Joseph HaNagid, the Jewish vizier of Granada, Spain, was crucified by an Arab mob that proceeded to raze the Jewish quarter of the city and slaughter its 5,000 inhabitants. The riot was incited by Muslim preachers who had angrily objected to what they saw as inordinate Jewish political power.

    Similarly, in 1465, Arab mobs in Fez slaughtered thousands of Jews, leaving only 11 alive, after a Jewish deputy vizier treated a Muslim woman in "an offensive manner." The killings touched off a wave of similar massacres throughout Morocco.25

    Other mass murders of Jews in Arab lands occurred in Morocco in the 8th century, where whole communities were wiped out by the Muslim ruler Idris I; North Africa in the 12th century, where the Almohads either forcibly converted or decimated several communities; Libya in 1785, where Ali Burzi Pasha murdered hundreds of Jews; Algiers, where Jews were massacred in 1805, 1815 and 1830; and Marrakesh, Morocco, where more than 300 hundred Jews were murdered between 1864 and 1880.26

    Decrees ordering the destruction of synagogues were enacted in Egypt and Syria (1014, 1293-4, 1301-2), Iraq (854­859, 1344) and Yemen (1676). Despite the Koran's prohibition, Jews were forced to convert to Islam or face death in Yemen (1165 and 1678), Morocco (1275, 1465 and 1790-92) and Baghdad (1333 and 1344).27

    The situation of Jews in Arab lands reached a low point in the 19th century. Jews in most of North Africa (including Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Morocco) were forced to live in ghettos. In Morocco, which contained the largest Jewish community in the Islamic Diaspora, Jews were made to walk barefoot or wear shoes of straw when outside the ghetto. Even Muslim children participated in the degradation of Jews, by throwing stones at them or harassing them in other ways. The frequency of anti-Jewish violence increased, and many Jews were executed on charges of apostasy. Ritual murder accusations against the Jews became commonplace in the Ottoman Empire.28

    As distinguished Orientalist G.E. von Grunebaum has written:

    It would not be difficult to put together the names of a very sizeable number Jewish subjects or citizens of the Islamic area who have attained to high rank, to power, to great financial influence, to significant and recognized intellectual attainment; and the same could be done for Christians. But it would again not be difficult to compile a lengthy list of persecutions, arbitrary confiscations, attempted forced conversions, or pogroms.29

    The danger for Jews became even greater as a showdown approached in the UN. The Syrian delegate, Faris el-Khouri, warned: "Unless the Palestine problem is settled, we shall have difficulty in protecting and safeguarding the Jews in the Arab world."30

    More than a thousand Jews were killed in anti-Jewish rioting during the 1940's in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, Syria and Yemen.31 This helped trigger the mass exodus of Jews from Arab countries."


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    Ezzlirsk skrev:Att påstå att judar inte blivit förtryckta inom arabvärlden - och således inte skall jämföras med exempelvis palestinierns nuvarande "underkastelse" - är en ren myt och antizionistisk propaganda.
    Nu upplever jag att du är en bit på sidan om spåret. Att med dina argument försvara Israels förtryckande av palestinier ger inget seriöst intryck. Israels agerande ska enligt dig, för all framtid ursäktas genom att låta judarna i all oändlighet vara oskyldiga offer för omvärldens ondska. Detta resonemang är helt åt h-vete och en starkt bidragande orsak till ofreden i mellanöstern.

    - Judarna har genom historien varit offer. Och offret är a priori oskyldigt. Den rollen ger dig ett moraliskt övertag. Men när Israel blev till, då blev offren också för­övare. Och så är det. Ingen kan leva, ännu mindre överleva, utan att bli skyldig. Men det har det judiska folket oerhört svårt att ta till sig.
    /Cordelia Edvardsson


    Forlmuleringar liknande "the ongoing genocidal program against the Jews" förorsakar idag ett löjets skimmer runt "författaren". Vilka är idag offren för diskriminering och förtryck ?

    Att härleda dagens "problem" med våldsamma islamistiska fundamentalister tillbaka till en flertusenårig evig judeförföljelse, är att vara lika "blind" som de fundamentalister man kritiserar.

    Muhammad, the founder of Islam, traveled to Medina in 622 A.D. to attract followers to his new faith. When the Jews of Medina refused to recognize Muhammad as their Prophet, two of the major Jewish tribes were expelled. In 627, Muhammad's followers killed between 600 and 900 of the men, and divided the surviving Jewish women and children amongst themselves.23

    So what ?
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    Inlägg  lazy 2009-09-22, 12:16

    formsvackan skrev:
    lazy skrev:Har för mej FS att jag lagt in länkar förut om hur judar fick
    lämna sina hem när Jordaniens arme ockuperade Jerusalem (lämna
    sina hem är väl lika med palestiniernas lämna sina hem?)
    Har bommat detta. När hände det ?

    Har för mej att det var i maj 1948 som den "gamla staden" gjordes
    helt "judenrein" ex-muftin som varit på tapeten här några ggr
    fixade t.o.m ett eget litet styre med hjälp av sina anhängare o
    den arabiska legionen men det gillades inte av den övriga
    arabvärlden.
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    Inlägg  formsvackan 2009-09-22, 13:29

    lazy skrev:
    formsvackan skrev:
    lazy skrev:Har för mej FS att jag lagt in länkar förut om hur judar fick
    lämna sina hem när Jordaniens arme ockuperade Jerusalem (lämna
    sina hem är väl lika med palestiniernas lämna sina hem?)
    Har bommat detta. När hände det ?

    Har för mej att det var i maj 1948 som den "gamla staden" gjordes
    helt "judenrein" ex-muftin som varit på tapeten här några ggr
    fixade t.o.m ett eget litet styre med hjälp av sina anhängare o
    den arabiska legionen men det gillades inte av den övriga
    arabvärlden.

    Förmodligen ett resultat av att staten Israel utropades den 14:e maj 1948.

    http://www.sixdaywar.org/content/Jerusalem1948arabisraeliwar.asp

    During the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, Transjordan’s Arab Legion attempted to capture the entire city of Jerusalem, shelling it and cutting off its Jewish residents from the coastal plain. Western portions of Jerusalem came under Israel’s control only after Israeli forces broke the Arab siege of the city. In the first four weeks of Arab attacks, 200 Jewish civilians were killed and over 1,000 were wounded in Jerusalem. But, defending themselves, Israeli forces managed to capture some suburbs and villages from the Arabs.

    The Israeli defenders were not as successful in protecting the Jewish community of eastern Jerusalem. On May 28, 1948, the Jewish Quarter of the Old City fell to the Arab Legion. After 10 months of fighting, an armistice agreement was signed on April 3, 1949, dividing Jerusalem along the November 1948 ceasefire lines of Israeli and Transjordanian forces, with several areas of no-man’s land.


    Även om detta var mycket illa, tycker jag ändå inte att det är riktigt jämförbart.
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    Inlägg  Ezzlirsk 2009-09-22, 18:06

    Redvictory skrev:

    Den där idioten tror att någon skall ta honom på allvar för att han klistrar in en enorm textmassa! jag läser det inte ens för jag vet att det är en idiot som ligger bakom! Very Happy

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